UK inflation slide fuels rate cut bets and jolts markets

LONDON — U.K. inflation fell by more than expected to hit 3.9% in November, in the lowest annual reading since September 2021.

Economists polled by Reuters had expected a modest decline in the headline consumer price index to 4.4%, after the 4.6% annual reading of October surprised to the downside by dropping to a two-year low.

Month on month, the headline CPI fell by 0.2%, compared with a consensus forecast of a 0.1% increase.

The Core CPI — which excludes volatile food, energy, alcohol and tobacco prices — came in at an annual 5.1%, well below a 5.6% forecast.

The surprisingly large falls prompted a spike in bets that the Bank of England will cut interest rates in 2024, which manifested in a sharp fall in British bond yields.

The yield on the U.K. 10-year government bond, or gilt, sunk to an eight-month low, dropping 11 basis points to around 3.54%. Yields move inversely to prices. Meanwhile, the U.K.’s FTSE 100 was the only major European stock index in positive territory on Wednesday, climbing 0.8% by midmorning London time.

The Office for National Statistics said the largest downward contributions came from transport, recreation and culture, and food and nonalcoholic beverages.

The Bank of England last week maintained a hawkish tone as it kept its main interest rate unchanged at 5.25%. The Monetary Policy Committee reiterated that policy is “likely to need to be restrictive for an extended period of time.”

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The central bank ended a run of 14 straight interest rate hikes in September, as policymakers looked to wrestle inflation back down toward the bank’s 2% target from a 41-year high of 11.1% in October 2022.

U.K. Finance Minister Jeremy Hunt cheered the Wednesday figures and said the country was “starting to remove inflationary pressures from the economy.”

“Alongside the business tax cuts announced in the Autumn Statement this means we are back on the path to healthy, sustainable growth,” he said in a statement.

“But many families are still struggling with high prices so we will continue to prioritise measures that help with cost of living pressures.”

Significant fall ‘undermines’ Bank of England caution

The Bank of England has repeatedly pushed back against market expectations for significant cuts to interest rates in 2024, noting last week that “key indicators of U.K. inflation persistence remain elevated.”

Suren Thiru, economics director at ICAEW, said the “startling” fall in inflation recorded Wednesday will reassure households that there is a “light at the end of the tunnel,” with easing core CPI figures showing that underlying price pressures are relenting.

“The likely squeeze on wages from rising unemployment and a stagnating economy should help to continue to keep them on a downward trajectory,” he said by email.

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“These inflation numbers suggest that the Bank of England is too pessimistic in its rhetoric over when interest rates could start falling. A deteriorating economy could push the Bank to start loosening policy by the Autumn, particularly if inflationary pressures continuing easing.”

A ‘glimmer of relief’

Richard Carter, head of fixed interest research at Quilter Cheviot, said the latest inflation print adds to a sense of “cautious optimism” in the U.K. relative to the cost-of-living crisis and bond market chaos of last year.

Despite the drop in CPI, he noted that the broader economic picture remains “complex, marred by stagnation and subdued growth prospects.”

The U.K. economy contracted by 0.3% month on month in October, after flatlining in the third quarter.

“This stagnation, leaving the output no higher than it was in January, paints a picture of an economy struggling to rebound from a series of unprecedented challenges,” Carter said over email, while acknowledging that the pace at which inflation is slowing offers a “glimmer of relief” for households.

“The pressures are manifold – from the cost of living crisis, volatile energy markets, Brexit aftershocks, to enduring productivity issues. These factors have collectively dampened economic prospects and consumer confidence.”

Tesla cut EV prices in China more than BYD did for its flagship Han sedan this year, study finds

BYD's Han electric car, pictured here at the 2021 Shanghai auto show, is one of the most popular new energy vehicles in China.

BEIJING — Tesla cut prices for its electric cars in China by more than BYD did for its flagship Han sedan, according to analysis Wednesday from U.S.-based firm JL Warren Capital.

Tesla reduced the price of its Model 3 by 6% compared to December last year, and cut the price of Model Y by 11% during the same period of time, JL Warren Capital CEO and Head of Research Junheng Li said in the report.

BYD’s Han only saw a 5% price decrease during that time, she said.

The Han, the company’s premium electric sedan, sells in a similar price range as Tesla’s cars — above 200,000 yuan ($28,000). Most of BYD’s other cars cost much less.

The report showed that BYD increased its sales promotions throughout the year, shaving 10% or 17% off the price of some mass market models. “Double-digit discounts are a common promotion by [original equipment manufacturers] to stimulate sell-through and meet the sales target,” Li said.

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High-end electric car startup Nio also cut prices this year, despite initially trying to avoid getting caught up in an industry price war.

Unlike in the EU or the US, residual values do not appear to feature highly in Chinese consumers’ purchase decisions,” HSBC analysts said in a Dec. 4 report about the auto industry. “That is perhaps the reason why price competition is so severe in China relative to EU/US.”

Thanks partly to government support, penetration of new energy vehicles, which include battery and hybrid-powered cars, has surged to well over one-third of new passenger cars sold in China.

Li expects that penetration rate will be around 40% next year, while electric car sales grow by 20%, a slowdown from a 35% increase in 2023.

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Already for this year, the industry’s largest automakers had an “overly ambitious goal” of 93% sales growth, Li said. She pointed out that among 13 major EV manufacturers in China, only Tesla and Li Auto are set to reach their respective sales targets for the year.

That signals competition is about to get fiercer in China, the world’s largest auto market, which could lead to the potential for industry waste.

“New models spur EV demand, but at the cost of intensifying [the] pricing war as the market is flooded with inventory of ‘obsolete’ models,” Li said, noting the new car development cycle in China has been reduced to one or two years versus about three years previously. 

Annuity sales are on track for a record year. Here’s what to know before buying

Consumers pumped record money into annuities in 2023, on the back of higher interest rates and anxiety about the stock market and U.S. economy, experts said.

Americans have bought about $360 billion of annuities this year, according to an estimate by LIMRA, an insurance industry group.

That would handily beat last year’s record — about $311 billion — which in turn had surpassed the prior mark set amid the 2008 financial crisis, according to LIMRA.

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What are annuities?

Annuities are issued by insurance companies. Consumers generally hand over a lump sum of money in exchange for an income stream for life, similar to a pension or Social Security.

Financial planners sometimes recommend them to guard against the risk of outliving one’s savings — though some kinds are much better at doing so than others, they said.

“There are all different types of annuities, and to me, the majority are not necessarily good,” said Carolyn McClanahan, a certified financial planner based in Jacksonville, Florida, and a member of CNBC’s Advisor Council.

Why annuity sales spiked in 2023

In 2023, the U.S. Federal Reserve raised its benchmark interest rate to the highest level in 22 years. That nudged up the returns and income that consumers could get from annuities, thereby making them more attractive, said Todd Giesing, head of annuity research at LIMRA.

While the stock market has bounced back from a dismal 2022, there’s “still a lot of uneasiness with investors,” who are grappling with unknowns like the trajectory of inflation and the economy, Giesing said.

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Such malaise pushed consumers to seek out relative safety, in fixed-rate deferred annuities, for example. They’re like certificates of deposit in annuity form, protecting principal while delivering a fixed return over a few years.

Fixed-rate deferred annuities currently pay average rates around 4.5% — triple the 1.5% just two years ago, Giesing said. They constituted the bulk of overall annuity sales this year, at an estimated $140 billion.

What kind of annuities financial advisors recommend

There’s somewhat of a mismatch between the types of annuities that consumers buy and the ones typically recommended by financial advisors.

Generally, planners use annuities to hedge against longevity risk — the risk of living so long that one outlasts their retirement savings.

An annuity might help cover any shortfall in funding for basic necessities like food and housing, after accounting for guaranteed income streams like Social Security and pensions

Coinbase secures crypto license in France, pushing deeper in Europe amid rift with the SEC

Cryptocurrency exchange Coinbase secured registration with the French markets regulator, a company spokesperson confirmed Thursday, paving the way for the firm to expand its services in another key European market.

France’s AMF watchdog gave Coinbase a virtual asset service provider (VASP) approval, which is effectively a green light for the company to operate digital currency services in France.

The VASP registration will allow Coinbase to offer custody of digital assets, buying or selling digital assets in legal tender, trading of digital assets against other digital assets, and operating a digital asset trading platform, the company said in a statement Thursday.

French regulators, like others in Europe, have been playing catch-up with the emergence of new technologies like crypto and blockchain, balancing their potential in improving payment systems and trading while also looking to ensure consumers are protected.

The European Union has been working to introduce its Markets in Crypto Assets (MiCA) regulation, which would create a harmonized framework for crypto companies to operate in a regulated way in the bloc.

Under MiCA, rather than having to secure registration in every EU market, crypto companies will eventually be able to use their VASP license in one country and “passport” into other countries to offer their services across the EU.

The VASP registration represents a big move from U.S.-based Coinbase to expand in Europe, which comes at a crucial time with the exchange facing a more uncertain regulatory environment in its home country.

U.S. regulators have taken harsh actions against crypto companies lately. In November, the U.S. Department of Justice reached a settlement with crypto giant Binance which saw the company pay more than $4 billion while its CEO stepped down, pleading guilty to a felony charge that he failed to take steps to prevent money laundering at the firm.

The Securities and Exchange Commission, meanwhile, has led an aggressive campaign against the sector, targeting crypto companies with strict enforcement actions, including lawsuits against both Coinbase and rival Binance that allege the firms are engaged in illegal dealings of securities.

The SEC views several crypto tokens as being securities, a classification which would require them to seek registration with the watchdog. That would require copious transparency from companies and token issuers themselves, including financial disclosures and other paperwork.

Coinbase has fired back at the SEC, saying it has worked to ensure it is in compliance with financial regulations. The company is calling for new rules specifically for crypto in the U.S. to end what it has called “regulation by enforcement,” where the regulator is hitting companies with penalties in individual cases rather than setting clear rules for the road.

France has been positioning itself as a leader in technology lately, touting its prowess in technologies such as artificial intelligence and cloud computing, as part of President Emmanuel Macron’s bid to make the country a global tech hub.

The country has committed 34 billion euros ($36.5 billion) of investments, including subsidies and state funding, over five years as part of its “France 2030” plan, which aims to make the country a leader in and so-called “Web3,” among other things.

The country is home to Ledger, one of the biggest providers of crypto custody services, last valued at $1.4 billion. Separately, the likes of Circle, Binance and Crypto.com have all made Paris their European base. Only recently, Circle, which issues the popular stablecoin USD Coin, received its own French VASP license by the AMF.

France is seeing increased crypto adoption even as prices have taken a tumble in the wake of multiple bankruptcies and collapses.

According to data firm Toluna, 10% of French adults currently own crypto assets while 24% plan to buy, sell, or trade crypto in the next 12 months.

James Gorman talks Disney succession, proxy fight as he gears up to join board

James Gorman to help Disney in succession struggle

Morgan Stanley CEO James Gorman said Thursday that he’s gearing up to join a succession planning committee at Disney, which will advise the board on choosing CEO Bob Iger’s successor.

Gorman is set to step down as Morgan Stanley CEO Jan. 1. He will join Disney’s board in February.

Disney announced last month that Gorman was joining the company’s board. The announcement also included the appointment of former Sky TV boss Jeremy Darroch, beginning in January.

The move was seen as a way to hold off a proxy fight by activist fund Trian and its chief, Nelson Peltz, although Trian voiced dissatisfaction with the appointments in a statement. Trian said it would push for Peltz and former Disney executive Jay Rasulo to join the board.

Gorman has won praise for how he managed the succession process at Morgan Stanley.

“Disney is forming a succession committee, which I’ll be joining,” Gorman told CNBC’s David Faber. “I don’t start as a director until February.” He added: “But I have an enormous amount of experience having run succession here on Morgan Stanley’s board.”

Gorman also noted that he’s dealt with activist investors before. “We have had a lot of battles in my life,” he said of the Disney proxy fight. “That doesn’t bother me one little bit.”

Disney said Gorman was referring to the succession committee the company announced in January. The company disclosed Gorman would join the panel in a securities filing last month.

Disney re-appointed Iger as CEO in November 2022, following the tumultuous tenure of his hand-picked successor Bob Chapek. Before he ended his previous reign as CEO, Iger renewed his contract multiple times. In July, the company extended Iger’s contract through 2026.

The company has faced a number headwinds in recent years, including box office flops and streaming losses. Earlier this year, Iger reorganized the company, laying off 7,000 employees while looking to cut $7.5 billion in costs.

Here’s when you can visit a national park for free in 2024

Female Standing on Rock Outcrop Looking Out Over the Grand Canyon

The National Park Service is offering free admission to U.S. national parks on six days in 2024.

There are more than 400 national parks in the U.S. Most of them offer free entrance all the time.

However, 109 parks don’t — including some of the most popular, like Grand Canyon, Zion, Rocky Mountain, Acadia, Yosemite, Yellowstone, Joshua Tree and Glacier national parks.

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Their entrance fees typically range from $20 to $35 per vehicle. (Some may charge per person instead of per vehicle, and there may also be different fees for motorcycles.)

All parks that generally charge an entrance fee will waive them on the following days next year:

  • Jan. 15: Birthday of Martin Luther King Jr.
  • April 20: First day of National Park Week.
  • June 19: Juneteenth.
  • Aug. 4: Anniversary of the Great American Outdoors Act.
  • Sept. 28: National Public Lands Day
  • Nov. 11: Veterans Day

It may make sense to buy an annual pass

Grand Prismatic Spring, Yellowstone National Park.

Even if you’re planning to visit a park during one of the 2024 free entrance days, it may make financial sense to buy an annual pass ahead of your trip, depending on the itinerary, said Mary Cropper, travel advisor and senior U.S. specialist at Audley Travel.

The $80 annual pass grants unlimited entrance to national parks and other federal recreation areas. (Some groups can get reduced-price or even free annual passes.)

For example, a pass would likely be a better option if you plan to visit multiple parks in one trip — in which case you may end up paying the standard entrance fee for each park (outside of the free day), Cropper said.

“You want to do the math,” she said.

The economy probably showed gangbuster growth in the third quarter. But will it last?

The U.S. economy likely turned in another strong performance heading into the final part of the year, though what’s ahead could be significantly different.

Gross domestic product, or the sum of all goods and services produced in the U.S. economy, is expected to post a 4.7% annualized gain for the third quarter, according to a Dow Jones consensus estimate. The Commerce Department will release its first estimate of GDP at 8:30 a.m. ET.

If the projection is correct, it will be the strongest output since the fourth quarter of 2021, when growth was just shy of 7%.

However, policymakers, economists and markets will be focused more on forward-looking signals from an economy that repeatedly has defied expectations.

“We ought to look at whatever we print in the third quarter with a large degree of suspicion,” said Joseph LaVorgna, chief economist at SMBC Nikko Securities America. “GDP doesn’t tell us where we’re going. We can feel all warm and fuzzy about a good number. But the real problem is what’s next.”

For much of the past two years, economists have been waiting for the economy to slow down and possibly enter a recession. In fact, the the Federal Reserve itself had been forecasting a mild contraction, but retracted that recently in the wake of resilient consumer that has kept growth afloat.

That’s expected to be the case again in the July-through-September period.

The consumer keeps consuming

The Atlanta Fed employs a growth tracker it calls GDPNow, which takes in data on a real-time basis and adjusts its projections accordingly. Over the past two years or so, the gauge has had a good track record, outperforming consensus nine of the past 10 quarters, according to recent research from Goldman Sachs.

For Q3, GDPNow is projecting growth of 5.4%, with more than half — 2.77 percentage points — to come from consumer spending. Exports are expected to contribute about 1 percentage point, while inventories are projected to add 0.7 point.

LaVorgna, a top White House economist under former President Donald Trump, thinks the consumer will be responsible for more than three-fourths of what he expects to be a 4.1% GDP gain. However, he thinks higher borrowing costs and a general expected pullback in demand for big-ticket items ahead finally could start putting a hit on demand metrics.

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“The income side of the data shows the economy is much softer,” LaVorgna said. “To me, there’s a lot on the docket that suggests, as excited as we want to get for Q3, that definitely might be the last pop in growth that we see for a while.”

To be sure, the economy and its pivotal consumer component have been written off before.

Starting in early 2022, there had been a strong Wall Street consensus call that a recession was almost inevitable because of the lagged impact of higher interest rates. That expectation intensified during a brief banking industry crisis in March 2023 that the Fed expected would constrain credit enough to bring about a downturn.

But the Fed’s move to keep liquidity flowing in the sector, along with ambitious lending efforts from “shadow” nonbanks, helped get the economy through the crisis and keep growth afoot.

“This consumer feels comfortable spending money, they feel comfortable borrowing money,” said Steven Ricchiuto, U.S. chief economist at Mizuho Securities USA. “There is a lot of spending that is being done despite the interest rate environment. That comes from the fact that there is a tight labor market and people feel comfortable in their jobs.”

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Indeed, companies and the government continue to hire, putting upward pressure on growth and keeping the heat on the Fed to maintain higher rates to fight inflation. Central bank officials have raised rates aggressively while professing to not want to drag the economy into recession.

“The economy is like an Energizer bunny,” Ricchiuto said. “You have to find a way to stop it, and the Fed keeps on telling everybody they don’t really want to stop it.”

Markets, then, could interpret a strong GDP in a variety of ways.

They could see a beat as a sign that the Fed still has more work to do on inflation. Or they could view it as a sign that the economy can withstand higher rates and still grow. Or they could deem Thursday’s Commerce Department report as backward-looking and await more data for clues on the Fed’s next move.

Since mid-July 2022, the bond market has been sending a strong signal it thinks a recession is coming. Since that point, the yield on the two-year Treasury has eclipsed that of the 10-year note, a phenomenon called an inverted yield curve that has never failed to forecast a looming recession.

Now, the inversion has lessened sharply to the point where the curve is almost flat again — also a textbook sign that a recession is around the corner. That’s because after inverting, markets ultimately will start pricing in the slower or negative growth ahead through lower yields.

“The market is sending a message that a recession is coming and the Fed will have to lower rates,” said Quincy Krosby, chief global strategist at LPL Financial.

“What they’re trying to do is engineer a slowdown but keep the labor market intact,” she added. “Historically, that’s been difficult.”

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Krosby expects markets to pay some attention to the GDP report but also focus on data Friday on consumer spending, sentiment and inflation, with the release of the Fed’s favorite gauge of price increases coming from the Commerce Department.

“Is the economy going to continue to defy historical trends, such as the unwinding of the inverted yield curve?” she said. “That’s the dilemma in this market.”

U.S. and China commercial property markets face headwinds but UOB is optimistic on Southeast Asia

China and U.S. commercial real estate markets are 'hot spots,' UOB CFO says

Commercial real estate markets in the U.S. and China are economic pain points to monitor in a higher-for-longer rate environment, said Singapore’s United Overseas Bank. But the bank remains optimistic about one key region.

“The U.S. commercial real estate remains a hotspot, especially with the low occupancy rates that we have,” Lee Wai Fai, chief financial officer of UOB told CNBC’s “Street Signs Asia.”

Vacancy rates for office buildings climbed to a record high of 18.2% in late 2022.

“The other hotspots will be China, there [are] worries about the quality and whether they can manage the property uncertainty in China,” he added.

China’s property market has struggled with faltering consumer confidence as major developers like Evergrande and Country Garden remain mired in debt problems.

Lee added the world is heading into a more “uncertain environment” and the impact of higher-for-longer interest rates is starting to filter through the economy.

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The world’s central banks have hiked interest rates aggressively over the past 18 months or so in a bid to rein in soaring inflation, with varying degrees of success.

“China recovery has yet to come about. And of course, the recent geopolitical tension has added to the volatility,” he added.

ASEAN’s resilience

That being said, in spite of a bumpy macroeconomic environment, Lee expects the ASEAN region to remain resilient, citing investment flows particularly in new economy areas such as sustainability.

“But [for] our regional fundamentals, we are confident, because we still have low unemployment and robust consumption,” he said, adding that supply chains are also shifting into Southeast Asia.

Foreign direct investment flows to Southeast Asia have “increased by a factor of nine over the last two decades, with over half of these going to Singapore,” philanthropic organization Hinrich Foundation noted in a February report.

UOB on Thursday posted a core net profit of $1.5 billion for the third quarter of financial year 2023 ending Sept. 30, rising 5% from a year ago.

U.S. GDP grew at a 4.9% annual pace in the third quarter, better than expected

U.S. GDP grew at a 4.9% annual pace in the third quarter, better than expected

The U.S. economy grew even faster than expected in the third quarter, buoyed by a strong consumer in spite of higher interest rates, ongoing inflation pressures, and a variety of other domestic and global headwinds.

Gross domestic product, a measure of all goods and services produced in the U.S., rose at a seasonally adjusted 4.9% annualized pace in the July-through-September period, up from an unrevised 2.1% pace in the second quarter, the Commerce Department reported Thursday. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had been looking for a 4.7% acceleration in real GDP, which also is adjusted for inflation.

The sharp increase came due to contributions from consumer spending, increased inventories, exports, residential investment and government spending.

Consumer spending, as measured by personal consumption expenditures, increased 4% for the quarter after rising just 0.8% in Q2, and was responsible for 2.7 percentage points of the total GDP increase. Inventories contributed 1.3 percentage points. Gross private domestic investment surged 8.4% and government spending and investment jumped 4.6%.

Spending at the consumer level split fairly evenly between goods and services, with the two measures up 4.8% and 3.6%, respectively.

The GDP increase marked the biggest gain since the fourth quarter of 2021.

Markets reacted little to the news, with stocks mixed in early trading and Treasury yields mostly lower.

“This report confirmed what we already knew: The consumer went on a shopping spree in the third quarter,” said Michael Arone, chief investment strategist for U.S. SPDR Business at State Street Global Advisors. “I don’t think anything in this report changes the outlook for monetary policy. That’s why I don’t think you’re seeing an overreaction from markets.”

While the report could give the Federal Reserve some impetus to keep policy tight, traders were still pricing in no chance of an interest rate hike when the central bank meets next week, according to CME Group data. Futures pricing pointed to just a 27% chance of an increase at the December meeting following the GDP release.

“Investors should not be surprised that the consumer was spending in the final months of the summer,” said Jeffrey Roach, chief economist at LPL Financial. “The real question is if the trend can continue in the coming quarters, and we think not.”

In other economic news Thursday, the Labor Department reported that jobless claims totaled 210,000 for the week ended Oct. 21, up 10,000 from the previous period and slightly ahead of the Dow Jones estimate for 207,000.

Also, durable goods orders increased 4.7% in September, well ahead of the 0.1% gain in August and the 2% forecast, according to the Commerce Department. Orders for durables, which include appliances, aircraft and electronics posted their biggest gain since July 2020.

At a time when many economists had thought the U.S. would be in the midst of at least a shallow recession, growth has kept pace due to consumer spending that has exceeded all expectations. The consumer was responsible for about 68% of GDP in Q3.

While the U.S. has proven resilient to the various challenges, most economists expect growth to slow considerably in the coming months. However, they generally think the U.S. can skirt a recession absent any other unforeseen shocks.

Tech stocks suffer two-day selloff as investors find ‘wrinkle or two’ in Alphabet, Meta earnings

Alphabet’s earnings sailed past Wall Street estimates after the markets closed on Tuesday. Meta followed suit on Wednesday, solidly topping expectations.

It didn’t matter.

Following better-than-expected results on the top and bottom lines from two of the most valuable tech companies in the world, the Nasdaq responded by dropping roughly 3% over two days.

With Amazon’s third-quarter report on deck after Thursday’s close and Apple set to announce next week, tech investors are showing less interest in what’s happened over the past three months and are more concerned about what may be coming as the year wraps up.

In Alphabet’s earnings report, Wall Street fretted over the numbers out of the Google Cloud division, which is investing heavily to try and catch Amazon and Microsoft, particularly when it comes to managing hefty artificial intelligence workloads. The cloud group reported $8.41 billion in quarterly revenue, missing analysts’ estimates of $8.64 billion, according to LSEG, formerly known as Refinitiv.

Ruth Porat, Alphabet’s finance chief, told analysts that the numbers reflect “the impact of customer optimization efforts,” a phrase that generally refers to clients reeling in their spending.

The concern from Facebook parent Meta was sparked by comments that CFO Susan Li provided on the earnings call regarding the advertising market in the fourth quarter. Due to the escalating conflict in the Middle East and uncertainty about how it will affect ad spending, Meta provided a wider revenue guidance range than normal, Li said.

“We have observed softer ads in the beginning of the fourth quarter, correlating with the start of the conflict, which is captured in our Q4 revenue outlook,” Li said on the call. “It’s hard for us to attribute demand softness directly to any specific geopolitical event.”

Alphabet shares are down by about 12% over the past two days, while Meta has dropped roughly 7%. Amazon’s stock has dropped more than 6% over that stretch, heading into its report after the close.

Up to this point, 2023 has been a bounce-back year for mega-cap tech after a brutal 2022. Meta is the second-best performing stock in the S&P 500, behind only AI chipmaker Nvidia, up roughly 140% for the year, compared to the Nasdaq’s 21% gain. Alphabet has jumped 39% and Amazon has gained 42%.

All three internet companies instituted significant cost-cutting measures, starting late last year or early in 2023, slashing a record number of jobs and eliminating some experimental projects. Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg said in February that this would be his company’s “year of efficiency,” and Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai acknowledged in January that Google “hired for a different economic reality than the one we face today.”

While investors cheered the newfound focus on expenses, concern is mounting alongside broader economic uncertainty and the challenges presented by high interest rates.

The U.S. economy has been resilient so far. The Commerce Department said on Thursday that gross domestic product, rose at a seasonally adjusted 4.9% annualized pace in the quarter that ended September, up from an unrevised 2.1% pace in the second quarter.

But with war still raging in Ukraine and President Joe Biden promising that the U.S. will support Israel in its battle against Hamas, the global economy is on a shaky foundation.

In emphasizing the potential business impact of war in the Middle East on its business, Meta spelled out those concerns to shareholders.

“Management’s conservative tone tempered enthusiasm for a strong result and guide,” wrote analysts from Guggenheim, in a report late Wednesday, though they still recommend buying the stock.

Mark Avallone, president of Potomac Wealth Advisors, told CNBC’s “The Exchange” on Thursday that these latest earnings reports show the level of investor skittishness. Alphabet’s earnings were fine when looking at advertising and YouTube, its core businesses, he said, and the selloff tied to the cloud numbers indicates that “people are looking for problems where they may or may not exist.”

“You’ve got earnings reports that really aren’t that bad,” Avallone said. “We’re finding a wrinkle or two in what we don’t like about them and then we’re trashing America’s best companies and there really seems to be a bit of an overreaction.”